The Permesso di Soggiorno – Don’t Expect Speedy Processing!

The permesso di soggiorno is essential for stays of longer than 90 days.

The permesso di soggiorno is essential for stays of longer than 90 days.

I am waiting for my fourth permesso di soggiorno. Each year the processing time gets longer and longer. Well, at least it has been for many expats in Umbria going through the Perugia office. My first year took three and a half months. Second year was four months. Third year was four and a half months. And this year already I’m closing in on five months. I have friends who waited six months. Keep in mind the permesso has a year’s validity. Sure you can tote around the post office receipt and application code, which is “supposed” to be a valid holdover until your new card arrives. But depending on where you are in Italy, not having the card can cause all sorts of mischief. For example, for your tessera sanitaria, national healthcare coverage, you may be required to keep going back to the ASL office to get an extension. Again, it depends on who you’re dealing with. It is my understanding that all that is required is your application receipt.

And so, I give myself the advice that I dole out so often in all matters of Italian bureaucracy…

Be prepared to wait, and wait…

I was having lunch just a week ago with fellow American expats, and I confirmed that they, too, were waiting longer than normal. I thought this was a country wide problem, but I’m told other regions have much speedier processing times. Normal timing is “supposed” to be two and a half months. I thought I was being proactive by getting way out in front of the renewal by a couple of months. That strategy isn’t working.

The other puzzling matter is that of the carta di soggiorno, which is a permanent stay permit that you are “supposed” to be able to get after living in Italy for five full years. Rumor has it that if your working work with the region of Perugia, they aren’t giving these out. Instead they insist on a yearly renewal of the basic permesso di soggiorno.

Supposedly other regions issue them without a problem. Frankly, I don’t know, and I plan to do more research, which I will share with you when I have a better understanding.

Soon I will be moving my residency to Treviso, and already I’m finding the Comune incredibly helpful and buttoned up. Hopefully I’ll find that everything buzzes along with greater precision and speed. Time will tell.

Umbria is a wonderful place to live. My experiences with the people have been fantastic, and the police at the questura always have been wonderful. But, I think the backend bureaucracy is unduly burdened for some reason. Perhaps it’s government cutbacks, or perhaps they are buried with managing the stay permits for all of the immigrants flooding into the country from North Africa.

If you’re moving to another region of Italy I urge you to

Research your particular area to see if you can get an idea of permesso processing times and the types of stay permits they’re willing to issue (and why).

Then, you can manage your expectations accordingly. If your experience is anything like mine, you’ll find getting the straight story on the whole permesso di soggiorno process frustratingly elusive. I think this is because it is administered with great inconsistency.

Still the basics of what you will need to make your application ARE fairly consistent, and I urge you to read my earlier post that provides great detail as to navigating the process.

These are my personal experiences and they should not serve as a substitute for your own inquiries with the proper Italian agencies regarding their regulations.

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  1. Bright September 19, 2020 at 7:46 pm - Reply

    Good evening sir, please I have put my document on renew but i haven’t receive any appointment date for the fingerprint, please what can I do? for 3 months now

    • Jed September 23, 2020 at 9:00 am - Reply

      Did you submit your documents at the post office? If it’s a permesso, that’s where they make the appointment (when you submit the renewal application). Otherwise, you must go to the questura and show whatever receipt you have that tracks your renewal submission for them to fix a date to take your fingerprints.

  2. liaqat September 17, 2020 at 11:12 am - Reply

    It is stated that I was submit kit at posta italia in july 2020 in which mentined 28 august 2020 date for fingers but unfortunately I did not able to attend that date which is not update for next date therfore kindly give me information how to get appointment new date for fingers at questura .

    • Jed September 18, 2020 at 11:45 am - Reply

      I’m afraid you’ll have to go the questura to ask for a new appointment. Since yours already has passed, they might very well “work you in” while you’re there. That’s the only recourse I can recommend. Hope it all works out.

  3. Tunzala Mammadova August 29, 2020 at 12:41 pm - Reply

    Unfortunately, four years passed yet, the situation is the same. I moved to Italy in 2018 and got my first residence permit card two weeks before the expire date with wrong codice fiscale and birthplace on it. I’m still waiting for the second card.

  4. iman July 31, 2020 at 7:24 pm - Reply

    Hello Jed, This i a very interesting thread.
    I am also in the verge of my permesso expiration. the thing is my current permesso is recongiungimento familiare and I have to change it to lavoro autonomo, I already have my partita iva and work as a freelancer with an IT company. but the problem is that my permesso will be expired on 29th of august and i will be in a business trip until 26th. so i will only have 3 days. i have read around the internet that i can apply for renewing my permesso 60 days after expiration, but i don’t know if this 60 days will apply on conversion of permesso from mine to lavoro autonomo as well.

    thanks in advance.

    • Jed August 6, 2020 at 6:22 pm - Reply

      Hi Iman, I wish I could say that I’m familiar with a situation such as yours but I’m afraid that only the questura can give you the correct answer on this. I’d give your questura a call during the times they receive inquiries to find out. Sorry that I can’t help you out. I’m sure it will all work out given the delays everyone is experiencing due to current crisis. Jed

  5. Bhumika Dubay July 27, 2020 at 4:42 pm - Reply

    I have a question. So , I have applied for permesso in the post office with the lease contract of my houseand the appointment is in october but now I am in a situation where I want to change the apartment. Do you think that this will change the process for renewal in any way?

    • Jed July 31, 2020 at 10:47 am - Reply

      I’m not the expert on this, only the questura is. But, I would expect that when you have your appointment in October that you bring your updated lease with you to the appointment. If this is your first permesso application, hopefully they will just substitute your new address and lease information. If it is a renewal, and you are already registered with the comune, you’ll need to update that first, have the required police visit to confirm that you indeed live at the address. Also, in this case, you most likely will need a certifica di residenza from you comune for the current year and showing your new address. That’s easily obtained at the anagrafa in the comune for a small fee.
      Hope this helps!

      • Bakhtawar September 20, 2020 at 12:15 pm - Reply

        Hello sir my father carta soggiorno got rejected and they are saying come in 30 days we will do finger print again should we take a lawyer please help me my father waited for it for 13 years

        • Jed September 23, 2020 at 9:03 am - Reply

          Without understanding the reason for your carta being rejected, I’m not sure what you should do. Did they give you a fixed date for fingerprinting in 30 days and are they asking for additional information? If they (the questura) is not giving you specific information for the rejection, then a lawyer who specializes in dealing with the questura might be advisable.

  6. elaheh fereidooni July 9, 2020 at 4:27 pm - Reply

    Hello thank you so much for your information, i kept searching about my problem, but I think you may be the person who knows the answer.
    I have the permit of stay in Italy (ricerca lavoro) which was expired on 31st January which, due to Covid-19 they extended the expiry date to 30th August. Anyways i have applied for (tirocinio) permesso di soggiorno which was for a 6 months, and the finger print for that was due may which again postponed to 14th July, so meanwhile i opened a partita iva and i am willing to use this opportunity to convert my permesso directly from ricerca lavoro to lavoro autonomo, i wanna know shall i submit documents to the post office( despite the fact that i have finger print for permesso(tirocinio) on 14th July, Or i keep my documents and directly submit it on the day of fingerprint?
    I know it is a quite complicated situation, i hope i explained it well enough,
    Thank you so much in advance.

    • Jed July 12, 2020 at 4:09 pm - Reply

      Hi Eli, I so wish I could give you some advice on this, but given the Covid-19 crisis AND your wanting to convert your permesso, I’m afraid I’m not the expert that you need in this unusual situation, and given the crisis. If you can go to your questura and ask them directly that would be your best course of action to gain confidence that you are doing the right thing. In bocca al lupo. Jed

  7. Umar Farooque June 23, 2020 at 5:30 pm - Reply

    Nice article !
    I too live in Treviso.. last time I had applied for extension for permesso, it took 4 months here.
    Going to apply again for renewal. I can also feel that Treviso is more helpful and streamlined for these processes (lived in Milan before, it was also fine but very crowded)
    Recently I applied for DID and personal service agreement at employment center. Due to covid 19, everything was done on call and in a very responsive manner

    • Jed July 12, 2020 at 4:18 pm - Reply

      This is good to know, Umar. Thanks for sharing!

  8. Oscar ogbodo June 22, 2020 at 6:56 pm - Reply

    Am Oscar, good day sir ds my questions ,can Your documents been PROCESSED LATER TURN TO REJECTION OF APPLICATIONS because my my carta di soggiorno have been there for more than 6months saying same thing been processed
    Please I need to know what is happening i fingerprinted last yr December they told me 90days to be ready for collection
    90days which suppose to be on March 2020 but still saying the same thing your documents has been processed want to know what this may end up with

    • Jed July 12, 2020 at 4:20 pm - Reply

      Hi Oscar, you’ll have to go directly to your questura to get an understanding of what is happening with your carta di soggiorno. The Covid-19 crisis has delayed processing of so many important immigration documents (other people are having significant delays). Have you called your questura to explain your situation and ask them to give your a status update?

  9. Uyi May 18, 2020 at 10:46 pm - Reply

    Hi Jed my name is uyi am married to Austrian citizen (eu citizen) we have a son who is 2 years old we got married in Austria but we lived in Italy now have applied for the eu family permit in Rome since July 2019 true postal Italia have been finger printed till now have not have my pds the receipt which have the code number on it to check my status online anytime I check is showing nothing but in February this year I received a come from the Roma questura that two documents is missing in my file that I should bring them before 90 days which I submitted to them before the lockdown,my worries now is that is 10 months now I don’t have the pds and I can’t check it online anytime I ask in questura them always say everything is fine and now I don’t even know what to do lack of information from the questura please I need your advice,because for the pass ten months am just only with the receipt.

    • Jed May 19, 2020 at 6:57 pm - Reply

      Hi Uyi. It’s hard to know what is going on with the documents for immigration these days. I don’t know if they’ve just put everything on hold or if documents are crawling along at a slower pace. When I submitted my application for the same thing here in Treviso, I was told that the wait could be up to 90 days, but more likely would be closer to 60 days. Mine was ready in 45 days BUT this was at a much calmer time AND I didn’t have any issues with my documents. The processing clock usually won’t start ticking until they deem the application complete. Add to that delays because offices were shut down for the crisis, so the delay since February doesn’t seem too surprising to me. I do understand and can relate to how stressful this is. So, I’d recommend going to the questura or calling them, to inquire again, saying that it has been ten months and that you will need the document to travel. In other words, give them a reason to look further and give you some idea of when you’ll have it. I hope it all works out soon!

      • Keame May 25, 2020 at 8:04 pm - Reply

        Hey..i have been a victim of this delayance in residence permit this year…to be honest it is a strategy they take to limit some stuff(i personally dont know the exact reason).The only way i used that worked for me was to just go to questura and tell them you are coming for your permit card and with no hesitation you would receive it.NOTE THAT!! YOUR RESIDENT PERMIT WILL ALREADY BE DONE WITHIN ONE MONTH AND A HALF OF APPLYING..!THEY JUST WASTE YOUR TIME!!

        • Jed May 26, 2020 at 9:21 pm - Reply

          My permesso di soggiorno was delayed in the second and third year of my yearly renewal (I’ve since become a permanent resident through marriage). Each year it was longer. The last time it took well over six months. The questura did not have my permesso within a month (it took five months). In fact I had to speak with the regional office and through much diligence finally found someone who actually tracked it down for me. At the time it was in Rome, where part of the processing has to take place. At least I knew where it was and was told there were no problems, just a backlog. I was also told that applications for elective residency visa were put at the bottom of the stack. Regions do vary significantly in their processing times and procedures. Perhaps what you’re saying is true much of the time where you are, but I’d caution people from believing they will have the same result by going to the questura and asking for their permesso. I guess it can’t hurt. But, from my experience this certainly hasn’t been the case.

  10. saurav April 2, 2020 at 12:32 pm - Reply

    hello jed ,
    i left for my home county with the receipt because of the outbreak . my question is that is there a time limit by which I must return to Italy .

    • Jed April 3, 2020 at 2:40 pm - Reply

      I’d recommend not to be gone more than ninety days and certainly more than half a year. But, ask your questura to be certain since I’m not an expert.

  11. Osas Bab March 27, 2020 at 5:24 pm - Reply

    I got married to italian man March 2017,i was denied of residence permit, because they said I was not staying with him, so to cut the story short, they give me a letter to live italy, I took a lawyer, I won the case in cut, my lawyer gave me the necessary documents to present in questura last two months, they gave me receipt in questura pavia , since then I have been checking it online it keeps saying residence permit under discussion, please do u no if there’s any problem.

    • Jed April 2, 2020 at 12:11 pm - Reply

      When the message says that it’s under discussion that’s usually a good thing. It may take a while, however, especially with the current crisis.

  12. Azahr March 24, 2020 at 1:13 pm - Reply

    Heyy jed how r u ? I hope u’ll fine .

    & jed
    Tomorrow is my finger date, will I be finger tomorrow or not? Because italy is lockdown and I haven’t received any email or message about my finger from questura . Will the questura be open tomorrow or not .


    • Jed March 25, 2020 at 6:11 pm - Reply

      Hi Azahr, I would call the questura to see if there is a recorded message regarding whether they are open. My understanding is that only essential services remain open. I wouldn’t be surprised if the questura is shut. Sorry that I don’t know this information. You have to check with your particular questura. If you risk going there and they’re not open, you could be stopped by the police and fined.

  13. Christian March 18, 2020 at 1:30 am - Reply

    sir this is my first renew, i put my document in renew, did my finger print, one year now still not out what, what will i do, and my second question is can i go to my country with the slipt and my expired document.

    • Jed March 18, 2020 at 2:14 pm - Reply

      You’ll have to check in with your questura about that and to understand what and why your renewal is past a year in the renewal process. You might be allowed to go to your country but re-entry into Italy might be a problem, both departing from your home country (which will ask to see documents that allow a stay past 90 days normally) and on the arrival into Italy.

  14. Sam March 9, 2020 at 11:11 pm - Reply

    Thank you so much for the information
    I have a question about the duration of validity of the receipt of permesso
    when would a receipt of permesso (issued by Italian post office) be expired ?
    I mean how much time does the receipt provide me to use it ?
    I’ve heard something like 6 months but i’m not sure at all

    • Jed March 11, 2020 at 4:24 pm - Reply

      Hi, Sam. That’s an interesting question. I would think the receipt would remain valid until the permesso has been issued, especially since in many regions processing times are getting longer and longer. I know people who waited almost nine months to receive their permesso and I didn’t hear of any issues with the validity of the receipt.

    • Faith June 30, 2020 at 11:40 pm - Reply

      Hey Jed I’m Nigerian and my soggiorno is set to expire August and our boaders still ain’t open to is it possible to travel after it expires or do I get a re entry visa and will they renew the soggiorno if it’s already expired of just waste my time.

      • Jed July 12, 2020 at 4:12 pm - Reply

        Your questura will have to answer this. My understanding is that extensions have been granted on most permessos, but you need to speak with the experts to understand if your permesso has been granted an extension and what implications there are for travel.

  15. Jeff March 4, 2020 at 6:07 pm - Reply

    I went to the office by my self and I submitted the application of the renewal. They only gave me a copy of the old sorggiono attached to the forms I filled. They took my phone number. And ask me to wait for a police control at the house. To see if I really lives there. But no code on the form this my 4th renewal. Do I have to go back and ask if the code to be checking or they will send by post. Am confused

    • Jed March 7, 2020 at 1:25 pm - Reply

      Hi Jeff. I’ve not heard of being able to submit the renewal in person without going through the post office (which is where they generate the receipt). Did the questura give you a time frame for the police control at your home? If not, I’d head back over to the questura and ask for a code that will allow you to track your renewal application. If they don’t supply one, then I’d recommend asking how you will be able to track and pick up your permesso. Usually, the post office receipt or some kind of official receipt is necessary. But, maybe in your case, the copy of your application and your old permesso is supposed to suffice. I just don’t know.
      Let me know what happens so I can help educate other people who may find themselves in a similar situation.

      • Jeff March 9, 2020 at 3:51 pm - Reply

        Thanks a lot. My documents is not a refugee documents. I am married to an Italian white woman. My documents is Motivi Di familia. they ask me to go to one office and ask they didn’t have me a code

        • Jed March 11, 2020 at 4:01 pm - Reply

          That’s good news and hopefully your carta di soggiorno, like mine, will be ready in short order. A permesso di soggiorno is issued for people immigrating to Italy (I had one for the first four years, and before I was married), not just refugees.

          • Uwota charity March 27, 2020 at 2:27 pm

            Hello good afternoon, I want to ask you about my document, two months plus now, I have renewed my document when I checked it always show me this resident permit is under discussion.

          • Jed April 2, 2020 at 12:12 pm

            Unfortunately, these “processing” times are getting progressively longer, especially with the current crisis. One year my permesso was “under discussion” for over three months.

          • Jeff March 29, 2020 at 4:00 pm

            Thanks a lot and for how long you think it will take for the documenti to be ready for pickup and also with this coronavirus situation. Is almost a month and half now. They wanted to come to my house to control is i stay together with my partner and all this virus matter rise so will they stil have for the control or they will just go ahead working on the paper. I will be happy if i Can get some answer thanks

          • Jed April 2, 2020 at 12:09 pm

            Hi Jeff, I really wish I knew the answer to this question. I have absolutely no idea if permessos of all sorts and citizenship applications (mine is in the works) are being put indefinitely on hold. If I hear of anything, I’ll be sure to let you know. And, perhaps someone else, who has some knowledge of this will see this thread and offer some insight. Best, Jed

  16. jay February 25, 2020 at 11:26 am - Reply

    i have an appointment to pick up my permit but the problem is i am not around now..
    do i have to change the appointment or i just just dont go and go the time i am around in the city.
    im locked up in the city with the virus issue

    • Jed February 26, 2020 at 8:37 pm - Reply

      I would encourage you to call the questura and explain your situation. If you don’t go for your appointment, I’m not confident they would hold your permesso indefinitely. But, if you’ve told them (get the name of the person you talk to). They hopefully can hold your permesso for a longer period of time if necessary. Jed

  17. Lamin January 24, 2020 at 5:39 pm - Reply

    Hello good afternoon how are you doing i want to ask you about my document process now more than 4 months i have renew my document when i have checked it always show me this resident permit is being processed

    • Jed January 27, 2020 at 12:04 pm - Reply

      This timing isn’t unusual these days. Take comfort in that it is being processed!

  18. Azahruddin January 24, 2020 at 12:29 am - Reply

    Thank u sir,

    Sir will u tell me that after having first finger ,
    ‘Can I go to my country by taking the slip of fingerprint.
    I mean before taking soggiorno

    • Jed January 27, 2020 at 12:08 pm - Reply

      Only receipt for a permesso renewal is recognized by Italian immigration. Your departing country (and airline) most likely will require proof of a stay permit, so check that as well.

  19. Azahruddin January 23, 2020 at 9:16 pm - Reply

    Hello sir How r u, hope u r well ,

    Sir I applied for my first soggiorno , & the finger date is 25th of march
    So I want to finger before 25th of march.
    So help me out

    • Jed January 23, 2020 at 10:39 pm - Reply

      If the date you were given is the 25th, I doubt you will be able to secure an earlier appointment. You might try going to the questura to ask if you can get in sooner, but they have their system and they may not have done the initial review of you application. Keep your application receipt safe as they will show that you have indeed been abiding by the required process. Hopefully, once you are fingerprinted, the rest of the process will go more quickly. When you’re fingerprinted be sure to ask what is the expected processing time.

      • Suk Gurung May 9, 2020 at 11:28 pm - Reply

        Hello sir, have permesso di siggiorno the value is for 6 months in 2016 . Have card date but push me many time , wait wait..wait …how long it take time to receive italian document ?

        • Jed May 10, 2020 at 4:12 pm - Reply

          Hi, I don’t quite understand your permesso situation. You had a six-month permesso issued in 2016? Have you been renewing it every six months or annually since then? Permesso and other immigration documents have been taking longer and longer times to process, even before the Covid 19 crisis. In some regions, people wait for nine months, which is crazy!

  20. Chandni Amit Sharma January 18, 2020 at 12:25 am - Reply

    Hello sir how are you hope you are well …! My soggerno is ready but i didn’t recive any msg what can i do Thank you so much

    • Jed January 18, 2020 at 12:36 am - Reply

      Call or go to your questura and show the message on the website that your permessao is ready. Often times the sms isn’t received (or even sent out)

      • Chandni Amit Sharma January 21, 2020 at 9:21 pm - Reply

        Hello sir …! Thank you so much for as your advice today iam going to qustura and now i get my soggerno

        • Jed January 23, 2020 at 10:36 pm - Reply

          Excellent! Great news!

        • Joy February 27, 2020 at 12:23 am - Reply

          Hi jed 😊 I just checked my premesso Di soggiorno online and it wrote documento di soggiorno in trattazione/ residence permit is been processed and I haven’t received any messages it 11 days I have been waiting

          • Jed March 7, 2020 at 8:21 pm

            I remember seeing that message on my permesso application once for a solid three months! Don’t despair, this (unfortunately) is becoming more the status quo.

  21. Chandni Amit Sharma January 11, 2020 at 3:44 pm - Reply

    Dear sir, I have fingerprinted 13th may 2019for my permesso di soggiorno but anytime i check online with my numero pratica its show me Residence petmit is being process I’m wondering there is no problem please do you have any idea to help me what to do next..

    • Jed January 11, 2020 at 8:45 pm - Reply

      Hi Chandi, if you can speak with your regional office in charge of immigration processing, they might be able to see where your application is in “the system” your carta. In some regions, the processing for permessos and cartas are taking painfully long times. I know people who’ve waited nine months in Umbria just for a permesso di soggiorno. For a carta, since it is permanent residency, they may be doing additional checks. But, it is reassuring that the message says that it’s being processed, rather than missing in the system, as happens to some people.
      Lastly, all forms of immigration here in Italy seem to be taking longer and longer, especially in the wake of Salvini’s time in power and his hardline views on immigration. For example, just this year, citizenship application processing has changed from two years to four years.
      I wish I could provide clear answers about what is happening in your case, which is why I suggest going to your region office with your receipt and explain that it has been eight months now. Hopefully they can give you some kind of idea of when yours might be ready.

      • Chandni Amit Sharma January 12, 2020 at 1:10 am - Reply

        Thank you so much but i want to know where is this office in florence

        • Jed January 12, 2020 at 10:59 am - Reply

          Hi Chandi, I am not an expert in the details/offices of the numerous regions and communes in Italy, and I can only speak to personal experience (Treviso, Veneto and Perugia, Umbria). The purpose of my blog is to offer general advice and opinions based on my experience. I advise my followers to network with people in their respective communities to learn the particulars and peculiarities of each area. I can’t and don’t provide that level of detail. Sorry.
          You might consider finding and visiting your local CISL office where usually they have a person dedicated (free of charge)to stay permits. Such a person should be able to advise you on current processing times and who you might contact to inquire for more details regarding your application.

  22. Ibrahima December 27, 2019 at 3:59 pm - Reply

    Dear sir, I have fingerprinted 4 months ago for my permesso di soggiorno for refugee status which I was granted…but anytime i check online with my numero pratica its show me that NO RESULT TO BE FOUND.. I check with them last time in Questura di Napoli, but what I was told was that there is a document which TRIBUNALE has to send to them…I’m wondering there is no problem please do you have any idea to help me what to do next..

    • Jed January 6, 2020 at 5:51 pm - Reply

      Hi, be sure you’re entering the correct number from your receipt. There are two numbers. Once I kept checking the wrong one and got the same message. If you’ve tried both numbers and get the same message, then you’d best go to the questura to inquire since this would indicate they haven’t entered your application or it’s lost. I hope it’s just a matter of entering the wrong number and all is well!

  23. Siva December 17, 2019 at 10:35 am - Reply


    I’m a student and I apply in April to renewal my permesso and still I didn’t get any message from them,when I asked in police station they told me ‘ you need to wait until your document is verified and you will get a message when its done’ .
    & I’m still waiting, what do you think about my situation?


    • Jed December 18, 2019 at 10:54 am - Reply

      Unfortunately, your situation is becoming more commonplace, meaning that the processing of permessos seem to be getting longer and longer. Some regions are worse than others. I’d keep checking on the Polizia di Stato website using the number on your receipt will help you track the progress of your permesso (there are two numbers so make sure you enter the correct one). Once, while waiting for my permesso, I kept getting the “in process” message, and then suddenly a message that it was completed. I followed up with a call to the questura since I hadn’t received an SMS telling me it was ready. A week later, I had it.

  24. Sachith December 12, 2019 at 8:25 pm - Reply

    My permesso di soggiorno has been processed until now.i applied by living in italy But I’m studying in srilanka so i had to come there before the confirmation of PDS by using postal receipt.
    What i want to know is how much time taken to expire postal receipt??
    How much time can i stay in another country without permesso by using postal receipt

    • Jed December 16, 2019 at 6:50 pm - Reply

      Your postal receipt is recognized only in Italy, not other EU countries. So, if you’re entering Italy, you should be able to show the receipt (as long as it is for a renewal, not for the first application) to Italian immigration. The difficult part is when the airline checks your permit to stay documents at your country of departure (when you don’t have a return ticket out of Italy withing 90 days).

  25. Golbarg November 25, 2019 at 10:23 pm - Reply

    Hey there. I have been to Treviso Questura for my permesso and today on the website, it said that my permesso is ready for delivery. Based on your experience, do you have any ideas how many more days do I have to wait before I can actually get my permesso card?
    Thanks in advance

    • Jed November 27, 2019 at 2:41 pm - Reply

      Hello! Usually, you’ll hear from the questura via SMS withing a week or two of having seen the “ready for delivery” notice. If I remember correctly, when I saw that my carta di soggiorno was ready, I waited a few days but didn’t receive the message. Then I went to the questura, showed them the message, and was directed to the window for pickups. You might want to do the same if you haven’t received a message within a few days.

      • Raza November 30, 2019 at 7:24 pm - Reply

        Hi jed I have a question I gave my finger print 14 May in questura di lambrate and now 7 months I am waiting for my pds can you tell me what should I do please

        • Jed December 2, 2019 at 1:14 pm - Reply

          Hi Raza, have you checked the website by entering the number on your receipt (be careful to enter the right number since there are two different numbers)? If it says “being processed” or “under discussion” those are pretty much the same thing and usually signifies that things are dragging along as they are in many other regions. This really is an unfortunate situation to put new residents through these hoops for a document that is valid only for a year yet by the time a person receives it the validity is almost finished. What I did when my permesso was taking longer than it should, was to contact the regional office (in my case, it Was Perugia) and speak with someone who told me exactly where it was in the process and assured me there was no problem (just bureaucracy slowness). You can also go to where is designated as your regional office (not the local questura because they can’t get to the more detailed level of information).

  26. Vic October 29, 2019 at 5:49 pm - Reply

    HI… I have read the comments but I have a couple of questions. As an American i will fly from Italy to NY direct planning to entering to Italy with the receipt I got when I applied for my Permesso Soggiorno. My question is.. I will be leaving the US before 90 days as I was told. Would I have any problems exiting the US? would they ask me for documentation other than my passport? What if the initial Italian visa I obtained expired? Would I have to show it before leaving the US? I understand entering Italy directly from a US city with the receipt would not be a problem.

    How often can travel to the US with just the receipt? Does it have an expiration date?

    My second question is… the rime it takes to get the permesso soggiorno. If by the time I get it has expired? I guess I have to start the renewal process this time?

    I have been waiting already for 5 months, IF when the permesso is ready I am not in Italy, Can I just go directly to la questura to pick it up?

    • Jed November 12, 2019 at 1:37 pm - Reply

      Hi Vic, Sorry for the tardy reply. It’s exasperating how long it currently is taking to process the permesso di soggiorno. The receipt doesn’t actually function for you during your very first application, at least for departing the U.S. The airlines look for either a return flight to the U.S. within 90 days (some people purchase a fully refundable ticket just for this reason) or a document that shows you are allowed to stay. What SHOULD function for you is the elective residency visa that is still in your passport and should still have validity. Once I had my permesso and then got my residency card, that’s what I showed Delta airlines and that seemed to work. In actuality they should ask for a valid permesso di soggiorno in addition. Entering Italy isn’t the issue. It can be the airline upon departure since they don’t want to have to foot the bill to return you if they haven’t ascertained that you have valid “stay” documents. The permesso receipt only functions for Italy. The U.S. has no way to check is validity. Other EU countries also don’t accept the permesso receipt.
      Sorry this isn’t an easier process!

  27. ehis August 20, 2019 at 5:29 pm - Reply

    Pls i live in Abruzzo, Pescara. I just finger printed a month ago and i dont know when the PDM will be ready anf this is my First document i want i know how long it fakes to get ready. Pls

    • Jed August 30, 2019 at 9:13 am - Reply

      I wish I could offer an estimate for you but each region seems to process these things at a different pace. Overall, the permesso process seems to be getting longer, which is why more people are queueing up well in advance of their renewal date to help offset this. Bruzzo tends to be a bit more efficient than regions like Umbria (from anecdotal stories I’ve heard). Still, I wouldn’t bank on your PDM being ready before three months.

  28. Khashayar Jenabi July 26, 2019 at 11:54 pm - Reply

    Hi Jed
    I must say, you are such a nice man to answer all people with patience. Not many will do so, and it shows your Depth of humanity and prestige. Thank you!
    I have little question that i believe with your experience, i can find a better answer to it.
    I have applied for carta di soggiorno after 5 years living in Italy, paying a year of tax with permesso di lavoro autonomo. All my document god accepted and they told me that the card will be ready within 3 months after finger print. Its 3 months and 10 days so far and there is no news. I have checked with questura triple times within 2 weeks, and once they said there is a communication that must happen soon, and other two times they said, there is no communication and they are still waiting for decision. As you know the website is written: the Carta di soggiorno is being processed, Or in Italian in trattazione.
    The experience of 5 years in Italy, showed me that they are not precise on these things at all.

    Therefore, i would like to know about your opinion. How long would it take to receive the answer or better say, i should wait?!
    Can something happen randomly and they stop the process? Or what should i do in this case?
    Can i return to my country with recevuta paper after 6 months? (its passed sixth months from the time i sent my documents)

    Finally, thanks again for your care and response.


    • Jed July 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm - Reply

      Hi Khash, As you say, these things are imprecise with Italian bureaucracy. In which region of Italy are you a resident? Some regions (like Umbria) are notoriously tardy in processing, while others (like Veneto) are much more dependable.
      As long as you see that the carta is being processed, I would take comfort in that. If you travel to your home country and your travel is direct, the receipt “should” suffice for entry into Italy. The issue is on the departing end from your home country. Usually, they ask for a document that shows you are allowed to stay in the destination country if you don’t have a return ticket booked. I show my carta di soggiorna AND my carta di identitá and that has worked.
      My carta took about 45 days in Treviso, but mine was because I have an Italian spouse. You might want to do an online search for “your region + carta di soggiorno processing times.” That may yield some posts regarding recent experiences in your area.
      Hopefully you will receive your carta soon! Jed

  29. Janin July 14, 2019 at 11:27 pm - Reply

    Hi Jed! thank you so much for being so kind and sharing your experience.

    I did a Master course in Milan for 1 year, I graduated and after that I have applied for my second permesso di soggiorno in June 10th 2019 , but for searching a job(which they give 1 year opportunity to find a job). They told me I will receive the message from 3 to 1 months. So I booked my ticket before a month for July 20th. I gave a plus 10 days to make sure it arrives. But till now I didn’t had a message, and there are 6 days left to leave Italy. I’m Armenian, so no Shengenian zone, but I have transit from Ukraine which is not a Shengen zone too.

    My university told me that I can go with the receipt, passport and expired permesso provvisorio(since I went to Paris and had to do the provvisorio for June(for one month and it is also expired), they took my old permesso di soggiorno to give me to provvisorio).
    I’m not concerned from Italy, for sure they will let me out because they know their documents, but could it be a problem in Ukrain or Armenia that they won’t let me come back? even if I have applied for it and have the receipt?

    If you know any information about these stuff will be very helpful to share it!
    Thank you so much! best of luck to you in what you do!

    • Jed July 16, 2019 at 9:39 am - Reply

      Hi Janin, I think I understand your dilemma, which is your return trip and when you check in. Like in the U.S. I’m sure they (the airline) will want to see a document (one they understand) that shows you can stay in Italy IF you don’t have a return ticket to show that you’ll be returning within 90 days. What I’m not clear about is whether each country tracks the days you’ve been in a specific country. I would think, though I’m far from certain, only the arriving countries would be monitoring that and would be asking for documentation. If you’re arriving in Italy, then you’d show your expired permesso and renewal receipt (if asked – many times they only want to see your passport).
      Any time I’ve flown from the U.S. while in possession of a return ticket, and can show that I’ve never been asked for additional documentation. Some people will purchase either a cheap or refundable return ticked specifically for that purpose. I’d advise contacting the customer service of the airline you intend to fly to ask if you will need anything else as long as you have a return ticket (within 90 days from your departure date). I don’t advise going into further detail or explaining your situation so that they don’t flag your name or record.

      I hope this all works out for you. If only the questura would be expeditious AND reliable.

      • Sukhjinder Singh October 25, 2019 at 11:53 am - Reply

        Hi jed my name is Singh I am living in Rome Marino 15 July 2019 my fingerprints and today is 25 October and my permisso do siggorino not ready status is your permisso di siggorino in under discussion any problem

        • Jed November 12, 2019 at 1:30 pm - Reply

          “Under discussion” is a normal status which means it is being processed. In some regions the permesso di soggiorno can take up to six months, even longer in places like Umbria.

  30. Merry July 7, 2019 at 8:32 am - Reply

    am a nigerian his work ends in September but we got married in November to an italian but he is not working , will i be giving permit of stay? Because now the questura are asking for my husband reddito and proof of maintenance. What should I do

    • Jed July 9, 2019 at 10:57 pm - Reply

      A successful permit to stay via marriage is dependent on your husband proving hs has the financial resources/income to cover both of your living expenses at a basic level. Without that, I’m afraid that having only the marriage certificate isn’t going to be enough.

  31. Osagie oghomwenotiti June 24, 2019 at 12:19 am - Reply

    Please i have did fingerprint since 4 months, i try to check if my permit of stay is ready,but the message showing that,no resident permit is reading for the data you enter,please i don’t know what that means, please can you explain that to me.

    • Jed June 24, 2019 at 3:57 pm - Reply

      Two possibilities: 1. Make sure you entered the correct number from your receipt. There are two numbers and, once, I was entering the wrong number and I got a similar message. When I entered the correct number I saw “in process” as the message. Perhaps this is what is happening with you. 2. Less likely, but still a possibility is that your application has gotten misplaced. If you’ve tried both numbers on your receipt and you get no confirmation online that your application is being processed then I recommend that you return to the questura to inquire.

  32. Rishu singh June 17, 2019 at 3:44 am - Reply

    Hi there…I want to know that..about 9 month work permit for Italy …and tell me one thing its very important…it can be extend for 2 year means can I apply for soggiorno after 9 month please reply as soon as

    Thanks and Regards
    Rishu singh

    • Jed June 18, 2019 at 4:21 pm - Reply

      I’m not an expert on work visas, so I recommend that you go to a local CISL office and speak with the person who assists in doing the stay permit applications (first and renewals). Most CISL offices have a person that helps with these applications and is familiar with a wide variety of situations—but usually, such a person is only there one morning a week. I had good luck with the fellow that helped me for three years of making applications.

  33. Essiel June 10, 2019 at 1:53 am - Reply

    Can I travel with my expired soggiorno ,passport and receipt of renewal after posting it or after thumb printing

    • Jed June 18, 2019 at 3:59 pm - Reply

      My understanding, possibly erroneously, is that the receipt can allow travel as long as your NOT transiting another EU country, where they don’t recognize the receipt, and that’s where you can run into problems. Germany and Holland and particularly mindful of people traveling to and from Italy with stay permits and they expect to see a valid permesso in hand. I know people who arrange their travel to and from the U.S. directly to avoid this issue.

  34. Ashima June 5, 2019 at 11:56 am - Reply

    Hi ,
    I am a student here . I had applied for my second year of permesso in September 2018 . Last month I got the message to collect my permesso on 5th June 2019(today) . When I collected it , I saw that my permesso has already been expired a week back . Such unprofessionalism . We pay almost 200 EUR for our permesso and this is how they deal with it .

    • Jed June 18, 2019 at 3:41 pm - Reply

      Yes, unfortunately, this happens and you often get shrugged shoulders in response. I wish I had a solution. My heart goes out to you.

  35. Sameed June 2, 2019 at 12:37 am - Reply

    Hi jed, hope you doin good but i am really depressed about my soggiorno i applied it on 21’st of december 2018 and its been 6 months and yet no good news i have applied it in province of PESARO AND URBINO (PU).I checked it on questora web and even went to them with my problem but they were are like (wait ,wait n wait) i have a little sister alone in my country and i cant go to out !!!!!!!!!

    • Jed June 18, 2019 at 3:39 pm - Reply

      Oh my! I hate hearing this. But, I know the “wait, wait, wait” that you get. The first year it took me so long to get my permesso (in Umbria) I had an Italian called the regional office where the permesso application and renewals go, and he pushed for an answer, which was to tell us where exactly the hold-up was and an ETA. You might try that route if you can get an Italian to call on your behalf! Hope it works out.

  36. tega May 6, 2019 at 9:53 pm - Reply

    Comment…I applied for soggorino on 8march 2019 I was told 40working days, if I checked online he will always say processing I don’t know if they will grant my reguest on time

    • Jed May 8, 2019 at 2:32 pm - Reply

      Hopefully, they will prove to be true to their word and prediction. But, in Italy, these things are slippery (some areas more slippery than others). If you pass the forty days by more than a week, and if the online status message doesn’t change (one year that’s how I found out my permesso was ready, and the promised SMS message didn’t come through) then perhaps you can call the questura or go by. In bocca al lupo!

      • Diane October 19, 2019 at 5:55 am - Reply

        Hello. Thank you for such an informative post. I have been checking and checking my permesso progress and as of 2 weeks ago it was showing ready for collection you will receive an sms with details on collection. I still haven’t received the message so I wanted to find out what your experience has been time wise in waiting for collection once you realised it was ready

        • Jed October 24, 2019 at 11:47 am - Reply

          Hi Diane. This happened to me once and I had a fluent speaker call the questura on my behalf. They told me to come by to get my permesso. I did a screen capture of the status page with the “ready for collection” message and took that along, just in case. Somehow I hadn’t received my SMS, since the questura told me it had been scheduled for pickup the week before and I’d missed the appt.

  37. Ali Rehman April 9, 2019 at 9:53 am - Reply

    hello dear i hope your happy & fine
    i applied for my permiso di soggiorno last 11 months ago but when i am checking it in polizia di stato the reply is=> your permit is on process its always in process from last 11 months i have Carte identa & passport etc but i need soggiorno to vist other countris

    • Jed April 11, 2019 at 2:02 pm - Reply

      Oh my. Have you been to the questura to ask what they expect you to do in this circumstance? I’d take your receipt and a printout from the online website showing it “in process.” Unfortunately, this really does hamper your ability to visit other countries without a problem. I’m so sorry to hear that you’re having this problem.

      • Ali Rehman April 13, 2019 at 1:25 pm - Reply

        when ever i went to questora they only expect that your permit is not pronto but i add all the documents like Home adress,passport,doctor card & carte identa id card

      • Onykach. Arianna June 16, 2019 at 6:20 pm - Reply

        What happen if your Italian resident permit is ready but not pick up in three mouths due to losting you paper to check it

        • Jed June 18, 2019 at 4:15 pm - Reply

          Good question, and one that you’ll have to ask the questura. They may have a time limit. And, if you don’t have your receipt (the same paper you use to check on it) they may not give it to you if they do have it. Best to head to the questura and explain in person (with a native Italian to speak for you).

  38. Subhasree Shil April 1, 2019 at 2:00 pm - Reply

    I have lived in Italy for 6 years. I have permesso di soggiorno. My husband has carta soggiorno & recently, he moved to Germany with his new job. But, this year I have to renew my soggiorno so, I have taken a domestic work then submit all my documents. A few days ago I have finished my fingerprint process & came to Germany to visit / stay with my husband.We are planning to stay permanently in Germany after receiving my soggiorno.
    **Now, as I already completed my fingerprint process, can I cut of my residency & job in Italy?
    Because it is too expensive for us to pay two house rent/month (Germany & Italy).
    And living in two different countries is a problem too..

    • Jed April 2, 2019 at 6:44 pm - Reply

      This might be tricky, that is, to cut off your residency. The challenge will be, I believe, is what happens when and if you want to renew your permesso in Italy. But, perhaps you are looking at transferring your residency to Germany and, if that is the case, then you fall squarely in the rules and stay permits for Germany. Perhaps it is easy to transfer. I just don’t know.

      If you’re considering trying to eventually renew your permesso in Italy in order to bypass the need to do anything in Germany, you could find yourself in a bit of trouble IF the questura/immigration police find out that you haven’t been living in Italy for over half the year (which classifies you as a bonafide resident). But, if you come back to Italy to renew your permesso, it is my understanding that you have to produce a certificato di residenza from the appropriate comune as part of your application——one that is for the current year, which is problematic if someone else is living at your former address. Otherwise, you’d have to establish a new, valid address somehow, inform the comune of your new address and they may send the local police to your new residence to confirm your presence there.

      I’m not an expert on these things, so this is only my opinion based on experience (mine and other people’s). If you can count on one thing it’s that these types of things are often administrated with great inconsistency, though in some regions you can count on them being super precise and “by the book.”

      So, my hope is that, because of your husband’s work status in Germany, you are able to establish residency there without having to try a workaround in Italy, which comes with risks.

      Good luck!


      • Subhasree April 11, 2019 at 10:58 am - Reply

        Thank you so much Jed for your reply.
        How many months I can stay in Europe & wait for my soggiorno? Now I have my old soggiorno & stamped receipt which police given me after the fingerprint.

        • Jed April 11, 2019 at 2:07 pm - Reply

          EU countries allow 90 days of stay (includes time in any or all of the EU countries) within a 180 day period. Countries like Germany and Holland are particularly vigilant about checking documents and looking up dates, so be careful. Also, this is for U.S. citizens, and the rules may be different based on what passport you carry. But, once you have your permesso in hand you can travel within other EU states (along with your passport) during the validity of the permesso and as long as you meet the requirements for how much time is left on your passport. Some countries require at least six months. Best to check the specific country. Hope this helps!

          • S.S April 12, 2019 at 4:54 pm

            I was searched in Google & know that Italy & Germany both are in Schengen Zone. So I can travel from Italy to Germany with my passport, old soggiorno card and the new renewal soggiorno receipt.
            Is it true?
            Or I have to go to questura and ask for the ‘soggiorno provvisorio’ ?

          • Jed April 14, 2019 at 11:52 am

            My understanding is that the permesso renewal receipt is not recognized in other Schengen Zone countries. I have friends who were traveling through Germany and had problems with the receipt. I’m not familiar with the soggiorno provvisorio but perhaps that is the best bet. So complicated, isn’t it?

          • Ahmad February 25, 2020 at 1:43 am

            Hello Jed how are you doing i want to ask you about my document process now more than 5 months i have renew my document when i have checked it always show me This residence permit is not present in the archive i gave both number of post correct i gave this documents for renew in Arezzo Qustra please give me the information

          • Jed February 26, 2020 at 8:35 pm

            I would go directly to the questura with your receipt and a screen capture of the message you describe saying your application isn’t present in the archive. They will need to explain what has happened and why you are getting the message (even though you’ve followed the renewal application process). Jed

  39. Sepi March 2, 2019 at 6:36 am - Reply

    I applied for permesso di soggiorno 3 times in italy,firenze,fortunatly my permesso came soon after one months,around 21 of november 2018 ,but because of I was at berlin for my erasmus ,I couldnt get my visa ,Now after 3 months I want to go to questura to get my permesso ,do you think that ,have they keep for me after three months???if not,what should I do?

    • Jed March 2, 2019 at 5:32 pm - Reply

      I wish I knew the parameters around how long the questura will keep a permesso and where it goes if they don’t keep it. One year, I received the SMS saying my permesso was ready and they gave me a date to pick it up, but I was out of the country. I went to the questura the week after and they still had it. I think that as long as they know you’re coming and you’ve given them a date they’ll hold onto it. But, I doubt they’ll do that indefinitely. My fear is that, after three months they may question a person’s actual presence in Italy and whether a permesso is necessary any longer. I wish I could say I’m an expert on this, and I wish I could say that permesso procedures are implemented with clear, consistent guidelines, but I don’t believe that’s the case. I hope it all works out for you.

  40. Yousseph Walid El Ghoche January 21, 2019 at 6:38 am - Reply

    I have been waiting for more then 6 months and Im staying in Italy For Motivi Familiare thats cause i have a son here from my X , So anyone thinks that they can help on what to do next after waiting all this time , I cant travel out of the country I cant use my Carta sanitari ,If I got sick my dr cant issue nothing , so i dont know what to do next

    • Jed January 21, 2019 at 1:10 pm - Reply

      Thanks for writing and I hope someone who is in a similar situation can offer helpful advice. In which region have you applied for your MOtivi Familiare? In the Treviso region it took approximately forty-five days for me. I know that is fairly speedy. Unfortunately not all regions run as speedily. Have you been monitoring the status on the Polizia di Stato and inserted your receipt/application number to see what it shows?
      When I lived in Umbria and was in the yearly peremsso renewal process, during the second year (my first renewal) it was taking so long (almost five months) that I called the regional immigration office in Perugia. I had a native Italian speak with the woman (when we finally got through) and she looked up the number and gave us her estimation of where it was and when it should arrive. If you choose to call be sure to have a fluent speaker handle the call on your behalf in order to tactfully push for answers and to explain your dilemma. For me I mainly wanted assurance that my renewal wasn’t lost (as it seems to have been for Ross who has written on this thread).
      Unfortunately, these processing times are not improving and I sympathize with your plight especially as it affects one’s ability to travel back and forth from the country.

    • Aly January 21, 2019 at 1:58 pm - Reply

      Hello Joseph, which city did you apply? Did it take that long in the past?

  41. MA A January 18, 2019 at 9:46 am - Reply

    Hello, I have aplplied to renew my PDS at the Questura di trento, after my appointment the lady told me it would take 8mpnths processing time, it has been for 4 months now amd I am till Waiting, anyone has been through PDS renewal in Trento or other regions and got his renewal processed quickly?

    • Aly January 21, 2019 at 1:59 pm - Reply

      Looks like it’s a major issue all over Italy

  42. ROSS DODDS January 4, 2019 at 12:38 pm - Reply





    • Jed January 4, 2019 at 2:17 pm - Reply

      Oh my, this is terrible news. Such a message on the website indicates your application is completely MIA. I’ve not come across anyone having such a message once they’ve had their renewal appointment.

      Sounds as though you’ve landed on a strategy of staying without the permesso. My big caution to other people is that the permesso can be crucial to travel in and out of Italy. It’s next to impossible if transiting through another EU country. If the immigration police see (through the computer or through passport stamps) that a person had been in an EU country for more than 90 days in a 180-day window, such a person can be shipped back to one’s country of birth and barred from re-entry.

      So sorry to hear that the permesso process has failed you so badly.


    • Fiorella January 16, 2019 at 1:58 am - Reply

      Hi, I know this might not be precisely the topic but since apparently you have been living in italy for a while I was wondering if you knew if you can go out from italy (for tourism) to other schengen countries while waiting for thhe actual card of the permit of stay. As I understood you are not allowed, but in your case for example you werent able to travel for a whole year??
      To add I know that tourists get 90 days when they enter to the European union do you know if while waiting for the permit you are allowed to use these days in order to travel to other european countries? I mean if I went to another continent and came back in january (im still wiating for the permit) would I be allowed to go to france the next month for instance with those 90 days?

      • Jed January 16, 2019 at 6:02 am - Reply

        My understanding is that 90 days within a continuous 180 period can be spread around the EU Schenghen Treaty countries. So, technically you could spend 60 days in Italy, 20 days in France, and 10 days in Germany as long you don’t exceed 90 days. If you’re waiting for your permesso in Italy I’d avoid testing those limits, favoring staying in Italy (with your application receipt) until you have the hard permesso in hand.

  43. ROSS DODDS August 7, 2018 at 4:43 pm - Reply



    • Jed August 7, 2018 at 11:10 pm - Reply

      Ciao Ross, I can only imagine the book you could write. I’m so distraught to hear that the permesso queue continues to be getting longer and longer. I hope my followers will pay attention to your experience and plan accordingly. The system surely is being taxed with the increase in immigration while government funding and offices simultaneously are experiencing cutbacks. Jed

    • ROSS DODDS December 6, 2018 at 9:54 pm - Reply





      • Jed December 6, 2018 at 11:29 pm - Reply

        I’m so sorry to hear that you’ve had such an abysmal experience with the permesso. Rarely was I asked for mine (I’m now a permanent resident) and when I needed it was to buy a car, get my residency card, and travel through other Schengen countries without incident. Already people have run into issues traveling in Schengen countries with only the renewal receipt. I agree; it’s a frustrating and flawed system! Which region are you in, Ross? It might help other people to know to watch out. Here in Veneto things are processed much more efficiently. I guess it varies considerably from region to region!

  44. Melanie Garthwaite August 31, 2016 at 10:26 am - Reply

    Yes indeed. Novelia always brings everyone together. A very special person!

  45. Melanie Garthwaite August 30, 2016 at 10:22 pm - Reply

    Jed. we woke up this morning in New Zealand and had a right good chuckle reading your recent blog over a nice cup of tea! We could hear the frustration!! We are in the process of buying an apartment in Sulmona. We too struggled to open a bank account in Italy but our friend Carlo took care of everything for us and suddenly it all happened!!
    Norvelia has mentioned that you will be in Sulmona in September. I hope we will still be in Sulmona at that time and will have a chance to meet you. Caio. Mel & John

    • Jed August 31, 2016 at 9:33 am - Reply

      Ciao Mel and John, I’m glad my adventures gave you a good laugh! That’s always the best medicine when one hits a snag in the processes here. I do hope our dates overlap (mid September for me). Novelia is quite the Pied Piper, isn’t she? Jed

  46. Susan Geiger August 30, 2016 at 4:50 pm - Reply

    Jed – it is not only Italy – or Umbria! Yesterday we went to our county offices to start the process(es) for getting a driveway cut permit – which needs an address application. The location that we intend to use is at the end of a road stub – originally designed to continue on into a subdivision which never happened and now has been rezoned to “rural agricultural.” While there, we asked about requirements (hopefully none) for moving a barn that was 3/4 on our property and 1/4 on the builder’s. (Don’t ask!) We bought the barn and got a 5 year easement from him to move it….However, the county gives us until October 26th of this year. Anyway, the building department said that we needed a permit to move the barn based on the fact that it is for horses and hay; not cows, goats, llamas, sheep or pigs (totally). And, because it had been built without a permit, it would need to be inspected by an engineer. (Not good news or a cheap proposition, although it was built to be portable – on 4 big “I” beams that will work as skids.)
    One department later (Planning and Zoning) to verify the “have to move by date” and they have taken sides (with us) on the horses as agriculture status! Two department heads later, and we don’t have to get a permit to move the barn and horses are considered as agriculture in a county that prides itself on its agriculture support!
    Patience – and talking nicely – and showing that we are trying to follow all of the rules, can pay off, as you know! No matter what country you are in!

    • Jed August 30, 2016 at 5:00 pm - Reply

      Wow. I was exhausted reading of your journey to get permissions. Yes, patience and talking nicely goes a long way. I’ve seen people unravel and become demanding – to disastrous results. Hang in there!

  47. Anita August 30, 2016 at 4:35 pm - Reply

    Ciao Jed! Its great to read an inside view of life in Italy for an xpat! Grazie !! Anita

    • Jed August 30, 2016 at 4:57 pm - Reply

      It’s a never-ending journey of discovery and patience. Baci!!!

  48. Linda Dini Jenkins August 30, 2016 at 4:05 pm - Reply


    Oh, I just can’t wait to be spending more time in Italy and having to deal with all this nonsense!!!! I remember how long it took just to get a codice fiscale and then open a bank account!! Novelia called yesterday to say our time in Sulmona might overlap. I am running a tour beginning on 9/17, leaving Sulmona on 10/8. What is your timing? I heard about Nunzio and the sheep . . . can’t wait to see the photos! Linda

    • Jed August 30, 2016 at 4:58 pm - Reply

      Let’s hope the situation is better in other regions! Our trips will overlap, so we’ll be able to meet in Sulmona. Looking forward to it!

      • Noir February 17, 2020 at 9:19 pm - Reply

        Hi sir IAM waiting my permesso do soggiorno 9months and still is the process waiting what I can do

        • Jed February 21, 2020 at 7:35 pm - Reply

          Unfortunately, such long processing times are becoming far too common. You can’t do much besides wait and check in with your questura to inquire about the holdup and see if they can give you an estimate of when it will be ready.

          • Jeff February 26, 2020 at 6:46 am

            Good Morning Sir. I must renew my soggiorno documenti but i has no code to chech if is ready for pick può. What Can i do

          • Jed February 26, 2020 at 8:43 pm

            When you submitted your renewal application at the post office you should’ve received a receipt with this code. Without the receipt and the code you may have a problem tracking it and getting it when it’s ready.

  49. Suzy August 30, 2016 at 3:29 pm - Reply

    You are right, I might try Bibbienna, small commune might speed things up the next time. My house in Arezzo, , the apartment is in Florence.

    • Jed August 30, 2016 at 5:01 pm - Reply

      Keep the faith. Let me know how your experience goes!

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